EP448 (Part 1): 340B: Where It Started, Where It Is Now, and Who Is Really Benefiting From This Massive Program, With Shawn Gremminger

Stacey Richter decided to release this conversation with Shawn Gremminger about 340B in two parts — listen to one, listen to both. Shawn came up with three really important takeaways relative to 340B, a feat unto itself considering how sprawling this conversation can be. This first part zeros in on Shawn's first takeaway: whether or not the original intent, or the presumed original intent, of the 340B program has actually been met. 340B began life as a lowly bureaucratic fix, but over the past 15 years it has grown into a 500-pound gorilla that sits in the corner of a lot of rooms, probably more than many people realize. By the end of this first part, listeners should be able to competently assess whether 340B, in fact, adequately helps underserved communities get better healthcare. Part 2 of the show, a separate episode, covers how all of this impacts employers and commercial plans.

WHAT YOU'LL LEARN

✅ Shawn Gremminger's three key takeaways about the 340B program, starting with whether the program has actually met its original intent

✅ How 340B went from "a lowly bureaucratic fix" to a $53 billion, 500-pound gorilla that most people don't realize sits in the room

✅ Why Medicaid has to get the best price, and how that requirement shaped 340B's design

✅ How more than half of acute care hospitals now qualify for 340B, and how hospital consolidation has accelerated that shift

✅ Why there isn't a real patient definition in 340B, and what that ambiguity allows to happen

WHY THIS MATTERS

340B began life as a lowly bureaucratic fix — a way to help safety-net providers stretch scarce resources. Fifteen years later, per Shawn Gremminger, it's become a 500-pound gorilla that sits in the corner of a lot of rooms, more than many people realize. Part 1 asks the foundational question: does 340B actually still help the underserved communities it was designed for?

MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE

EP394 with Vikas Saini, MD, and Judith Garber, MPP: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Other Apps

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00:00 Introduction.

05:25 Shawn's three takeaways from the 340B program.

06:04 What is the intent of the 340B program?

08:22 Read the full 32-page report of the Energy and Commerce Committee.

09:17 Why does Medicaid have to get the best price?

13:26 Why was there a shift in how the 340B program looked starting in the mid-2000s?

15:11 Why do more than half of acute care hospitals now qualify for 340B?

18:18 How has hospital consolidation affected 340B?

20:37 What is the misalignment between how a hospital qualifies for 340B and how it benefits said hospitals?

24:11 How is a 340B designed for hospitals to make a profit?

28:45 Why isn't there a real patient definition in 340B?

31:46 Why is 340B still popular among policymakers?

33:05 Are 340B dollars being used in underserved communities?