EP373: How to Kick a Big Hospital Out of Your Network, With Cora Opsahl
Episode Description
How One Union Health Fund Cut a Major Hospital From Its Network, With Cora Opsahl. Why 32BJ Health Fund Decided a Major NYC Hospital System Wasn't Worth the Price. Episode 373.
Stacey Richter continues her conversation with Cora Opsahl, director of the 32BJ Health Fund, about the data-driven decision to remove NewYork-Presbyterian from the fund's network—and what it took operationally to actually pull it off.
WHAT YOU'LL LEARN
✅ Why 56% of 32BJ Health Fund's total spend goes to hospitals, making hospital pricing the highest-impact place to focus
✅ How the same procedure, like a CABG, can cost 10x more at one hospital than another in the same market with no quality difference
✅ Why 32BJ concluded it could not be sustainable without directly tackling hospital prices, since "you can't reduce spend by benefit design alone"
✅ Why claims of "razor-thin operating margins" don't hold up for large, consolidated health systems that received billions in COVID relief and posted record profit growth
✅ Why 32BJ repriced its claims using Medicare rates to reveal how far commercial prices had diverged
✅ What the HEAL Act is, and why 32BJ Health Fund supported it as part of asserting more control over its own benefit design
WHY THIS MATTERS
Removing a major hospital system from a network is disruptive and politically fraught, but Opsahl's account shows what it looks like when a fiduciary actually acts on what its own data reveals about price versus quality. For other employers and unions weighing whether a similar move is possible, 32BJ's experience is a rare real-world case study rather than a theoretical argument.
MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE
EP368 with Ashleigh Gunter: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Other Apps
EP366 with Kevin Schulman, MD: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Other Apps
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00:00 Introduction.
07:02 What motivated the decision for 32BJ to cut NewYork-Presbyterian out of their network?
09:14 How did 32BJ compare their spending at each hospital in their network?
13:01 "We cannot be sustainable as a health fund … without really tackling the challenge of hospital prices."
13:38 "It is one of the challenges as a self-funded plan that, even having this data, there's not a lot we can do with it."
16:10 What is 32BJ Health Fund's maternity program?
19:34 What is the HEAL Act, and why did 32BJ Health Fund support it?
21:39 "For us, we just don't feel it's right that anyone gets to dictate our benefit."
23:34 Why did 32BJ Health Fund reprice their claims using Medicare rates?
24:58 "It really goes to show you how high the commercial prices are in comparison to Medicare."













