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Episode 79

Why U.S. healthcare doesn't need more money—it needs a different system | Ezekiel Emanuel

Jun 9, 2026
26:52

Episode Description

Ezekiel Emanuel helped write the ACA, and now he's thinking about what comes next. To those saying America needs to spend more on healthcare, he points to countries like Germany, Switzerland, Norway—all have universal coverage, their systems provide comparable care quality to the U.S., yet they spend considerably less. The issue isn't money—it's how the system is organized. On the reform timeline, he expects policy change to happen in the 2032 election cycle, when the Medicare trust fund starts coming into view. As for AI, he believes it will be a fully integrated piece of the clinical landscape by 2030, but should be part of value-based payment, not fee-for-service. He also shares his thoughts on the longevity craze... and mentions a standing bet with Bryan Johnson.


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Links referenced

Zeke’s article in The Bulwark: https://www.thebulwark.com/p/democrats-must-fix-medicaid-not-just-undo-trump-bbb-damage-universal-coverage-seven-principles-reform-health-care


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