Encore! EP206: Turns Out, High‑Deductible Plans Do Not Drive High‑Quality, Cost‑Effective Care, With Ashok Subramanian, CEO and Founder of Centivo

In this Encore episode, Stacey Richter talks with Ashok Subramanian, CEO and founder of Centivo, about why high-deductible health plans have not delivered the high-quality, cost-effective care their advocates promised.

WHAT YOU'LL LEARN

✅ Why the consumerism bet behind high-deductible plans hasn't panned out as intended

✅ Why patients overwhelmingly follow their provider's recommendation rather than shopping around

✅ Why a patient's entry point into the health system shapes everything that follows

✅ What it takes to build a high-value specialist network instead of a sprawling one

✅ Why primary care teams, not patients, are best positioned to drive down total cost

WHY THIS MATTERS

The theory behind high-deductible health plans was that shifting cost burden onto patients would push them to shop for higher-quality, lower-cost care and prices would fall. Ashok Subramanian argues that theory hasn't held up: most patients aren't equipped to evaluate medical recommendations, so they simply follow what their provider tells them to do. That means the real lever for a high-value health system isn't patient shopping behavior — it's building a strong, curated primary care network that steers patients toward high-value specialists and away from a needlessly sprawling one.

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00:00 Introduction

02:58 Background for this conversation—the entry point for where a patient enters the health system.

03:56 "Broad open-access, on-demand health care simply doesn't work."

04:18 "What people really do do is they listen to their provider."

04:47 Putting more emphasis on the primary care team, as opposed to putting the burden on the employee.

05:01 High-deductible plans as blunt instruments.

05:20 Creating transparency around pricing, and the reality behind this.

05:38 "People aren't very good at [discerning] low-value care from high-value care."

06:57 Why people don't challenge their doctors.

07:06 The primary care physician (PCP) as the gateway into the health care system.

07:45 Two reasons why health care is so tricky.

09:09 "There is no single awesome source of data."

11:00 What is the PCPs' charge?

11:43 PCPs as the change agents in health care for employers.

14:47 How do you discern who the high-value specialists are?

15:15 Building the network right the first time and making it dynamic.

17:05 Narrow networks and what's important to focus on.

19:03 Redefining "access."

19:22 "None of us need 40,000 doctors in our network."

21:57 Driving better total cost.

25:02 Negotiating with the biggest health care players and operating a network with or without them.