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Episode 507

4 Core Concepts to Buy or Deliver the Highest Value Healthcare — A Review With 14 Expert Voices

Apr 16, 2026
33:58

Episode Description

Employers pay roughly $1.20 to $1.30 for every dollar of actual healthcare their members receive. In one documented California lawsuit, a carrier charged a plan $4 million for a single inpatient stay and paid the hospital $877,000 — pocketing over $2.5 million, with MultiPlan collecting another $677,000. Knowing that, what should plan sponsors actually be trying to buy?

Stacey Richter distills four core concepts for buying or delivering the highest value healthcare, illustrated with direct clips from 14 prior guests — Jonathan Baran, Cynthia Fisher, Mark Newman, Justin Leader, Elizabeth Mitchell, Dr. Sam Flanders, Shane Cerone, Jerry DiMaso, Ivana Krajcinovic, Ryan Jacobs, Adam Stavisky, Ryan Wells, Dr. Mick Connors, Dr. Ahilan Sivaganesan (Dr. Siva), and Dr. Kenny Cole.

WHAT YOU'LL LEARN

✅ Core Concept 1 — Buy healthcare, not insurance: the difference is not semantic — it is the gap between what a plan pays and what a provider receives, illustrated by spread pricing, weekly claims wire mysteries, and administrative extraction that consumes 20 to 30 cents of every healthcare dollar before any care is delivered

✅ Core Concept 2 — Avoid the myth of less expensive care: price and quality are largely uncorrelated in healthcare, and the highest-quality, safest care often costs the least — as Dr. Sam Flanders puts it, doing things well eliminates the waste and errors that drive up costs

✅ How price transparency data now shows rate disparities from one employer to another for the exact same service codes — including one plan paying $38,000 for four infusions that cost $5,000 at an independent practice, and two members whose infusion site choice cost their plan $1 million more for the exact same drug

✅ Core Concept 3 — Consider direct contracting: connecting plan sponsors directly with independent clinicians and pharmacies eliminates administrative extraction and creates real incentives — provider organizations that can actually lose business have reason to compete on quality and price

✅ How Centers of Excellence networks represent direct contracting at scale — and why a physician-by-physician analysis showed bottom-15% physicians practicing medicine standard deviations differently from the median in their own market

✅ Core Concept 4 — Buy true value, outcomes over cost, measured across the entire care journey: not readmission rates in isolation but patient-reported outcomes anchored to what actually matters to the patient — including whether they ever should have had the procedure in the first place


WHY THIS MATTERS

Most big corporatized health systems are optimized for revenue growth, not outcomes. When a plan sponsor buys coverage instead of care, those incentives go unchallenged. Direct contracting creates a functioning demand curve where provider organizations compete on quality and price. As Dr. Kenny Cole shows, buying value ultimately means anchoring care to the patient: not an A1C below seven as an abstract target, but controlling diabetes so a fisherman can still feel the line when the fish bites.

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Featured Experts by Core Concept

Concept 1: Buy Healthcare, Not Insurance

Jonathan Baran, CEO, Self Fund Health (EP483)

Cynthia Fisher, founder and chairman, PatientRightsAdvocate.org; co-founder and chairman of Power to the Patients (EP457)

Mark Newman, co-founder and CEO, Nomi Health (EP496)

Justin Leader, founder and CEO, BenefitsDNA (EP433)

Concept 2: Avoid the Myth of Less Expensive Healthcare

Elizabeth Mitchell, president and CEO, Purchaser Business Group on Health (EP436)

Sam Flanders, MD, senior advisor, Kada Health (EP490)

Shane Cerone, CEO, Kada Health (EP492)

Jerry DiMaso, co-founder and CEO, Payerset (EP506)

Ivana Krajcinovic, PhD, former vice president for healthcare delivery (retired), UNITE HERE HEALTH (EP501)

Concept 3: Consider Direct Contracting

Ivana Krajcinovic, PhD, former vice president for healthcare delivery (retired), UNITE HERE HEALTH (EP501)

Suhas Gondi, MD, MBA, chief medical officer, HealthStrategy (EP404)

Ryan Jacobs, senior vice president of health plan strategy and partnerships, Marathon Health (EP504)

Komal Bajaj, MD, professor of obstetrics and gynecology, Albert Einstein College of Medicine (EP458)

Adam Stavisky, business advisor, Stavisky LLC (EP503)

Cristin Dickerson, MD, founder and CEO, Green Imaging (EP485)

Stan Schwartz, MD, chief medical officer, ZERO.health (EP486)

Leo Spector, MD, MBA, CEO, OrthoCarolina (EP503)

Ryan Wells, founder and CEO, Health Here (EP503)

Concept 4: Buy the Highest-Value Healthcare

Mick Connors, MD, pediatric emergency medicine physician, Dayton Children's Hospital (EP495)

Ahilan Sivagenesan, MD, neurosurgeon, Hospital for Special Surgery; Head of Quality and Value, Mishe Health (EP505)

Kenny Cole, MD, System VP, Clinical Improvement, Ochsner Health (EP473)

 

00:00 Introduction to this episode and guests.

01:38 The four core concepts to buy or deliver highest-value healthcare: a summary.

06:01 An exciting show announcement.

07:32 Core Concept 1: Why buy highest-value healthcare, not "best" coverage?

11:28 Core Concept 2: Will employers fall victim to the myth of inexpensive care?

13:00 Why better-quality care vs. more affordable care is a false choice.

17:09 Core Concept 3: Direct contracting.

17:58 Why demand curve matters in healthcare cost.

22:08 How Centers of Excellence play into all of this.

22:54 Core Concept 4: How do you conceive of and buy high-value healthcare?

23:48 The value equation in healthcare.

25:35 What is value?

28:20 What whole-person care looks like.

30:24 Relentless Health Value Chatbot sneak peek announcement.

32:14 Coming up: looking at the episodes ahead.

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